BenzWorld.org forum is one of the largest Mercedes-Benz owner websites offering the most comprehensive collection of Mercedes-Benz information anywhere in the world. Well my 93 had a 2.85:1 rear diff, and rear sub frame mods r highly recommendedSuspension, well Eibachs is what I useIf you want roll bars, Delsing 500E rollbars, with the ends cut a little to fit the 190E. Originally It uses a V6 e not a straight 6, right? This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. I believe that the M102, M103 and M104 bellhousing patterns are the same, meaning you can mount a 5-speed transmission from a 300E or 190E onto your M104. CIS 4 prong sensor is now located at the water pump so this needs to be lengthened. The sedan originally came with a 3.0 L M103 12v Read More Mercedes W124 with a 1000 hp Turbo M104 Inline-Six 1994 Mercedes Wagon with a Turbo LSx - Part 14 July 9, 2018 W124 I believe you are correct that it came with a V6. So my question and a big debate in my mind is how practical it is for a swap of M119 from a 1992 500 SL. You must log in or register to reply here. Im very glad Ive discovered this thread as when I started the swap in January this wasnt posted yet, Im mechanically minded but new to cars and electrics in general, any pointer will be much appreciated, thanks! You are using an out of date browser. There are two approaches to getting the wiring completed for this swap. Source: Team Lovetap and Team Lovetap FB page. Mercedes W124 with a 1000 hp Turbo M104 Inline-Six November 6, 2019 W124 This Mercedes W124 300E called "Blueberry" is built and owned by Turbobandit in Stockholm, Sweden. The alternator for the W124 will work, but the wires will be kinked in an unnatural position. What did you need to do to convert the coils from the three coils and three wires to six individual invention coils on the m104 engine? This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Ok got it all nearly wrapped up this past week, around 60 hours or so to turn key M104. Im leaning towads the AMG C36, sounds like a real nice setup. I have a friend who had a 3.0L from a 300E in his 190 and it was pretty quick too. The motor is mated to a modified 722.634 five-speed automatic transmission with custom 5000 rpm converter, W124 210 mm LSD rear end, and Sportline 300E 32 mm axles. The ol' girl has probably done around 8-10k trouble free miles since the swap, until the air pump bearing decided to retire and smoked the belt. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. I want mercedes V8 power, or at least AMG 6 cylinder. We had a 5.0L from an 80's mercedes, 240bhp, but decided to go with the higher revving motor. Don't tear into the 190e yet, I would like to purchase it from you ! No matter how i lean it back and forth the steering box is not touching anything, the engine mounts are in the correct place it and it has like a 2-3 cm gap from the starter. The easiest swap out, would be a 90-93 300SL Engine Swap. haha, no worries! My daily is an LS swapped 80 series land cruiser. Will be taking it there soon so I'll post my times. The M104.98x now has an updated version of CIS that is not directly compatible with the older version. I believe the engine carrier would need to be modified. Any slk egne fit in there? So one day we decided that that nobody has ever ( that I've seen) built and successfully completed a 500e wagon. It may not display this or other websites correctly. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. 20cm is slightly too long). Once all the wiring is laid out it is pretty simple to figure out. Mercedes-Benz Tech Information and Support. Since then the car has seen a lot of action. Find a decent but cheap 400e or a very cheap 500e and bite the bullet on cost upfront and invest the time to make it 'good'. Use it however you wish or block it off. Could any of yall point me in the right direction to d this? Auto-Gruppen tuned the engine on a Emtron KV8 ECU . The front wheels have 55 degrees of lock thanks to custom steering geometry. I owned a supra before this car and miss it. It replaced the M103 and was replaced by the M112 V6 starting in 1997. ya dont destroy a 5-speed sportline. Is that a street car? History, Power & Specs of the Engine M104 2.8 L M104.900 3.0 L M104.98x 217 to 228 hp@ 6400 rpm 265Nm (195lbft@ 4600) (with cat) I wasn't kidding about a 6-12 month search nationwide. The injection system is still CIS and the ignition system is still EZL, but additional work is required to make the swap complete. Mine isn't an LE though, just a 190e sportline. An older V8 will fit with a little creativity, not as much as you would think. Mercedes made a ton of upgrades when they put the V8 into the 6-cyl chassis, which is why you can't easily upgrade the E320. Now that I'm fully woken up and on my third cup of coffee, I also want to mention that the KE-Jet M119 has a completely different computer and electronics setup than the LH-based M119 cars. Originally Posted by Kestas. The Mercedes-Benz M104 is a straight-6 automobile engine produced from 1989 through 1999. Biggest problem isint fuel, if u cant retard ignition according to boost then eventually u have some major engine failure. Said it made around 345hp(?) '84 Euro 500SE, '85 Euro 2.3-16, '51 Euro 170S, '97 Jeep Wrangler Sport, '15 G63 AMG. My M104 is a 99 hfm. i'll trade you my 87 parts car (engine and trans and body in tact) and a 5spd +shifter assy for you to tear apart and modify for your 2.6 5-spd see everyone wins!! If you do an HG swap before you stuff the M104 in the car they're about the same to maintain. The engine produces 468 horsepower and 580 Nm (427 lb-ft) of torque to the rear wheels thanks to the turbocharger producing 0.7 bar (10.1 psi) of boost. The swap from the smaller 2.6L M103 to a 3.0L M103 is a direct bolt-on swap (assuming the engines from the same cutoff years are used) and gives a small increase of around 30HP. torque using the old KE Elctro-Mechanical Fuel Injection like that used on the older m103 Inline 6. Is there a worthy replacement for the 190E 2.6. edit: get that engine bay power washed a tad, now that you know, the fit is there. Mrten Stngberg and his team at Team Lovetap in Sweden spent the off-season rebuilding the engine, transmission, and trunk area in their 2003 Mercedes CLK. I have a mint condition M104 I6 3.2L and the transmission is mint, so is the diff. It's lacking power to spin the big heavy 18" AMG monoblock wheels it came with, so I'm looking into an engine swap. Mounting the 190E A/C manifold to the engine block introduces a problem where the A/C compressor can no longer be mounted to the accessory bracket. Bolt starter to transmission later. Fuel is fed to the inline-six through Bosch 2200 cc injectors and Nuke Performance fuel rail. this is why my mercedes is a stock classic show car and my NA volvo 850 GLT is going to me my tuned performance car. Yes, I'm putting the 1995 E420 Special Edition on the block for a number of reasons which I'm not going to expound on here about. Note that the battery is located under the hood on an E320, and the couple of computers there are, are located just behind the battery under the windshield. The 20% difference consists of 10% engine/gearing, 8% bodywork and interior, and 2% everything else. This BMW E46 has spent the past two years being built by VRP Fab in Lublin, Poland for drifting. Set starter in place if it isn't already and reconnect wires. I would also like to do suspension up grades and a EVOII kit in the future. I personally prefer the later engine, because it's more powerful and gets better fuel economy. I think you meant steering box/column from a w201 (not W210) W103 is what you meant. you really should join the 190 forum (sorry, i don't have a link) as How to get your M119 5.0L V8 running optimally? MBWorld member Gen3Benz had the ambitious plan of stuffing an LS1 V8 motor under the hood of his W201. Take whatever "positive vibes" translates to monetarily and treat your 036 with a barrage of restorative upgrades and needed and not-so-needed service and maintenance and probably still have some money to buy $5k euro headlights. Using the ones meant for a W124 will result in the engine sitting too high and interfere with hood closing, Removed the engine mount support arms from the original 190E motor and transferred to the new M104 motor. Learn how your comment data is processed. 1996 Volvo 855GLT, 1993 MB 190e 2.3 8v, 1998 Subaru Outback SUS, 1991 BMW 525, 1998 MB C230. In addition, the engine carrier and mounting setup I believe is different between the V-8 and inline-six models? Engine Swap Depot. And isn't the M119.960 slightly wider and taller, making the fit into a 124 even harder? Probably $15k min, but you'd have a torque monster that'd be just as interesting (or more) than a V8 S124. I wish I could have a M3 or Audi TT, but dont have the cash. It may not display this or other websites correctly. you have a diamond in the rough. Head gasket and oil leaks are common to both engines. Source: Nomotors.ua and Mt Nuszer via Piotr. What are some 1/4 time and or top speed #'s for people have done these swaps? I have a 1990 190E 2.6the straight six just isnt cutting it performance wise. Way back in 2007, we were presented with an interesting engine swap. It barely sticks now when floored. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Although this is still a tiny bit longer and almost doesn't fit. Lengthen and connect the 3 prong connector under fuel distributor for airflow potentiometer (brown/green, blue/black, blue/green), Lengthen and connect the 1 prong coolant temperature sensor (green), Lengthen and connect the 2 prong coolant temperature sensor (brown, green), Lengthen and connect cold start valve wire, Longer CIS 4 prong coolant temperature sensor. Each wheel is turned by upgraded axles with modified knuckles and BMW E34 hubs. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. The engine produces 510 horsepower and 630 Nm to the rear wheels. That was later replaced with a turbocharged M104.992 inline-six now making 1000+ horsepower on 8.7:1 compression and MegaSquirt MS3X ECU. JavaScript is disabled. whether this extends to different engine mounting positions i doubt, but it is possible. If you really want to get speed though, deff change the brakes. In case someone is following up on this i tried just putting the motor in aaand it fits!!! engine alone. After the legendary E30 and its potent inline-four, then the successful inline-sixes of the E36 and E46, the step up to a V8 did seem a bit unavoidable. 1975 W116 280S - SOLD 1994 W124 E320 Coupe - Gone CURRENT - 1974 450SEL s class W116 Addict Posts: 4,213 I'll keep the 116's, the rest can go Location: Squeezing 3 W116's into a double garage Logged #1 19 August 2010, 12:38 PM Haven't taken it to the track yet but I know it has over 220bhp. Bolt starter to the engine before lowering. these are quite uncommon. Is it possible to have 5-speed w/ this engine? the m103 to m104 is a pretty common swap but the power gain is about 60hp or so. Was real nice. It rides on a set of Cosmis Racing XT206R wheels with 189.5-inch in front and 1811-inch in back. If you want one super clean AND fully sorted it might be closer to $10k. weren't there like 100 sportline LEs built for the USA and 100 for europe? It has a double overhead cam design with 4 valves per cylinder, and used a crossflow cylinder head. If it doesn't stall leave it alone!!!!!!!!!!!! The factory VQ35DE V6 has given way to a turbocharged Mercedes M104 inline-six mated to a Samsonas H-pattern transmission. What can be done and how much will it cost? All bolt-in, no welding required. If you have an E320 sedan and want more power, start shopping for an E420 with ASR and heated seats, rust-free, in your favorite color combo. Simply put, the M103 and M104 share the same block, primary differences are the head and the injection setup. M104.98x Motor Swap in a 190E One of the most common engine swaps for a 190E is the installation of the bigger M103 3.0L motor. 1990 190E 2.6 oil pressure problem uh-oh! All new control harnesses would need to be fabricated for all of the car's systems and the battery and cables run to the trunk. i have the m102 2.0 in the car as is and i have heard that the problem with having the smaller motor rather than the 2.3 or 2.6 is that the steering box will cause a problem when fitting the engine? You must log in or register to reply here. If I was ever going swap in a V8 into a W124 sedan it would be a Chevy LS motor. ugh! Let's see .. Palli, you're in the correct forum. The engine is mated to a Tex Racing T101a four-speed dogbox using a Sachs Motorsports pressure plate, Tenaci Motorsport 200 mm clutch discs and flywheel. Im gonna have to work my ass off to be able to do the work on this benzbut it will all be worth it in the end. Wow, Thanks for all the info. I would like to put an engine in mine that puts out at leat 300maybe 255+. Would you recomend doing this swap? It's 80%. Most E420's do not have ASR nor heated seats. Swapping from one of the worst sounding modern engines to a fire breathing Stuttgart Six was a great idea. Its a 3.0, 7000rpm limit, and 228hp, 201 lb.ft. JavaScript is disabled. I used 400E brakes, but the nicest is using 95 SL 600 brakes up front and rearThe rear are vented rotors instead of solidI've seen racing slicks lock up with 190Es and no ABS with these brakesBut be prepared for another $1200. Mrten will lower the power to around 860 whp while . Remove with transmission attached. The body features a custom widebody designed by SeidoWorks. I suppose that would work, I'm not sure why the 2.0 steering column is different than 2.3 or 2.6. Connect oil pressure and oil level sensor wires, Bolt wire bracket to rear of intake manifold (10mm), Connect alternator wires coming from right fender, Connect rear crankshaft position sensor wire, Connect front crankshaft position sensor under X11 diagnostic port, Connect heater return hose at back of engine, Use W124 water reservoir overflow hose and 190E valve from thermostat cover, Use T connector at front vacuum nipple to connect to EZL and EGR/Smog pump solenoid, Connect black striped white vacuum line from throttle body to check valve at fender behind headlight, Connect 3 vacuum line at rear of intake manifold. I think if you're looking for a fast 124, you have a bunch of options that'll be cheaper than swapping a v8 into an I6 car. Therefore, nothing but good old venerable striahgt 6s. :p, What about suspension and the rearend? The engine produces 468 horsepower and 580 Nm (427 lb-ft) of torque to the rear wheels thanks to the turbocharger producing 0.7 bar (10.1 psi) of boost. Is removal and shorter belt fitting possible? BenzWorld.org forum is one of the largest Mercedes-Benz owner websites offering the most comprehensive collection of Mercedes-Benz information anywhere in the world. Unrelated but tied to the M104 is the crumbling wiring issue, and evaporator failure. Simple and cheap power however since I wasnt inclined to do a engine swap I bought a E420. Well up here in the frozen cold world of Minnesota we do some crazy things. '87--190E 2.3-16v(being rebuilt), '99--C230 Kompressor. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. The upper hose needs to be simply matched to the original length of the 190E part and the lower hose comes out to around 20cm (I would try 19.5cm for an easier fit. Secure engine to hoist and lift to remove. i'd ditch the 18's and go with 16 or 17's you really don't want to tear apart a good working 2.6 5-spd because they are getting harder and harder to come by. Mercedes-Benz Sedan / Coupe / Wagon Forums. Going to add the flywheel magnet to a single mass M103 FW, Forgot to mention this is also a non-ASR engine, the amount of wire harnesses and modules even on the simpler 6cyl is a bit staggering.I think adapting a BMW M50 motronic would probably be easier, Steve Geyer has done this swap with his 190E, he would be an excellent source for this. Another 500e wagon is born: Silver / Gray | High-Performance Modifications, Imperial Red 500E Wagon Build | High-Performance Modifications, SOLD - 1995 E420 Special Edition, Brilliant Silver/Gray, 113k, $4900 (Tampa, FL) | 400E / E420 Cars for Sale. This Nissan 350Z was built to drift by Yaroslav Kremets from Nomotors in Kyiv, Ukraine. the mercedes is a DD that gets 30mpg that looks good. go the suggested 400E + LH M119 route, which gives you an 80-90% chance of success. Your original gearbox will work fine with the new engine, but bear in mind it's much easier to remove the gearbox and engine together than separate them in the car. JavaScript is disabled. If you are picky about colors and options, plan on a nationwide search that may take 6 months or longer. Affectionately called the LS-190, the swap looked to be carefully planned out, and rather well executed. 120492018_1240624106295229_4604718134584404570_n.jpg. Every panel is made from FRP (fiber-reinforced plastic) except for A-pillar, C-pillar, and roof. The secondary firewall and motor mounts are also positioned differently to accommodate the extra length of the M103. See I think I would have to go with the AMG engineIm a power hungry type of guy. The work in the trunk involved installing a new fuel cell, fold-down radiator, expansion tank, and tubular structure. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. The swap from the smaller 2.6L M103 to a 3.0L M103 is a direct bolt-on swap (assuming the engines from the same cutoff years are used) and gives a small increase of around 30HP. His forum name is SG Motorsports. How much power can you get out of the 16v? Power will be greater with an LS swap. It doesn't get over 300 horsepower but its pretty quick. 1- the M104.980 should be direct one due o the similarity with my M103 2.6 CIS system, but I need to have the ECU, the EZL and the harness. via Oppositelock. You are using an out of date browser. I heard the M104 is the same longblock engine as the M103 with the same fuel delivery system, except it is bored out for more displacement, and has DOHC 4 valves per cyllinder instead of SOHC 2 per cyllinder, but is essentially the same engine. In sweden used m103/m104 cost about 250-750 $. What engine can fit into this car? The site includes MB Forums, News, Galleries, Publications, Classifieds, Events and much more! The M104.98x introduces a new vacuum nipple. '85 Euro 190E 2.3-16, '84 Euro 500SE, '90 300SEL, '51 Euro 170S, '15 G63 AMG. the volvo is a non turbo auto which will become a t-5R 5 spd in the future. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. Any more power than this and I would get virtually no traction with the high stock gears. With such a light car I don't think you need more than 300. I was just giving you a hard time. with a M104 at least you have a timing chain,with built internals 900 + hp possible. Learn how your comment data is processed. While there Auto-Gruppen persuaded the turbocharged 3.2 L Mercedes M104 inline-six into making 953 hp and 1081 Nm (797 lb-ft) of torque to the wheels on 2.14 bar (31 psi) of boost from a EFR9180 turbocharger. I think mine should run 14's no problem at the track. A number of years back I had converted a manual 1987 W124 200 (4 cylinder carb engine) to a 3.6 HFM engine and auto trans. MB 300E 24v Turbo MS3X. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I remember seeing an AMG 190E on ebay, fuly decked out by AMG and Renntech a while back. Behind the engine sits a five-speed manual transmission taken from a BMW E46 3.0d and connected via a bell housing from a Mercedes 2.7 CDI. Time laps build of my 190e 3.2 M104engine swap,mercedes,190e,mercedes 190e engine swap m104.942 test,mercedes-benz m104 engine,w201 m111 m104 190e mercedes s. I am currently working on a my W201 2.6 project car. The flywheels and driven plates (for the automatic) have large metal ridges that trigger a sensor for the ignition system. ..looking in that engine bay I understand why, https://teamlovetap.com/the-only-w209-driftcar-in-the-world. Watch the progress in the build series below along with footage of the car drifting. Convert the E320 into a coupe, THEN do the engine swap. As, If the OP sends me a container with subject vehicle, m119.970 + donor 400E and $25k I can make it work in a few months. Sweden for a dyno tune. The engine features stock crank, Turbobandit 143 mm H-beam rods, stock pistons, stock bearings, Enem camshafts, double valve springs, Audi R8 coilpacks, and 2200 cc injectors. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. Has a black W201FTW vanity plate. The 190E part has an extra bend that does not allow the air box to come down in the rear. Navigation Menu. Using the original 190E A/C manifold hoses not work entirely either. you should check on 190rev there's more tuning types there than here. So my question is, can I just find a used M104 3.2 liter engine and ECU, and toss it into my car? To swap a non V8 w124 into LH V8 spec would require the following parts changing: Wouldn't it be fun to have a 500e wagon? BMW broke the hearts of many fans worldwide with the debut of the E90 generation of their M3 sports car. The W124 has the connection point closer underneath the brake booster line and is about 5 inches shorter. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. As a side note, the block has over 150k on it and the bores are still within a thou of origional specs, there are no ring marks at the top and you can still see the factory cross-hatch. Which is still ~1/3 of what the same condition E500E would be. Anyone with experience in HFM swaps care to shed some light as to exactly what I need to pull out of the donor 124? Navigation Menu . Get the full engine harness, the ezl unit, and the ecu. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. An additional option is to have a high pressure diagnostic port installed as well since this port will be lost from switching to the M104 A/C manifold. I have a 3.8 V8 from a 1981 380SL in my 190. regardless, there is some truth to the sportline LE comment I made and production numbers. Not needed anyhow. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. both m104 and 2jz handle 1000hp but the price is real big difference. __________________. Maybe a steering unit from a w210? : 119975 12 021689 Transmission: 722366 04 102785 744U Brilliant Silver 7181 Stratus Gray (cladding) 268 E420 I can still find/source a good E420, any idea of the prices how much should I be paying for a car with not near to immaculate but runs and drives strong with no rust spots and corrosions with no accidents or damage reports. Learn how your comment data is processed. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. JavaScript is disabled. Include wire from ground at ignition coil bracket. Hello S70/2, Im new to this forum, well any forum in fact but I need a lot of help, Im currently undertaking an m104 hfm swap, the motor is in and have managed to wire it to the extent where it turns, fuel pump responds to m104 fp relay but cant seem to get it to spark, Ive currently taken all the wirering back out to start again, I have full wirering diagrams printed out, one thing Im confused with is how the ecu is supplied with power? These are the prices for the 95 E320 two years ago: $575.00 124 440 56 32 (early model run) $714.76 124 440 29 33 (late model run) You can type in these part numbers (or the number on your current harness) on FastLane to determine the current prices. articles/m104.98x_motor_swap_in_a_190e.txt, W201 (specifically 1992-1993 190E 2.6, other models need adaptation). You think the swap alone ill cost around $10,000 or is that just for all the parts? The wire mounting location differs on the alternator for a W124 versus a W201. I can still find/source a good E420, any idea of the prices how much should I be paying for a car with not near to immaculate but runs and drives strong with no rust spots and corrosions with no accidents or damage reports. One of the most common engine swaps for a 190E is the installation of the bigger M103 3.0L motor. Aftermarket is obviously with the LS. i think you would need to splice int he wiring harness from the 104. it is alot of work if i had to do this i would do a m117 swap. Unfortunatly, I have done tons of research, and it all depends on how much you want to spend. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.